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i'm withholding judgment on what the fbi did here and then said he has great respect for the fbi and that if he had been told about the investigation in the middle of it then everybody would be asking, why was the white house informed in the middle of an investigation? so the president had two chances here basically to express any displeasure that he might have had with how the petraeus matter was handled and the most he said is, i'm withholding judgment. >> chuck, does that come as a real surprise in the president saying what we've heard from others on the cabinet, withholding judgment as the story i believe someone said t gets weirder by the day i think it was described. chuck? >> oh, i'm sorry. i thought you were addressing that question to pete. no worries. that's exactly the way it's funny this white house, they don't feel -- they feel it's a distraction. they don't feel it's getting in the way of their work yet. they're annoyed by it but they're not -- it's funny. it doesn't feel like it's a burden that's hanging over their head. that said, every day that they wake up, there's
i'm withholding judgment on what the fbi did here and then said he has great respect for the fbi and that if he had been told about the investigation in the middle of it then everybody would be asking, why was the white house informed in the middle of an investigation? so the president had two chances here basically to express any displeasure that he might have had with how the petraeus matter was handled and the most he said is, i'm withholding judgment. >> chuck, does that come as a...
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investigation, i don't wt to question the motives of the fbi. i am sure that they -- they have gone by the instructions of which they operate. neil: when you are under president nixon, even when the administrations were competing, they thought that was okay. they thought they were doing better for the country. >> the fbi did it to prove the job. they did the internal pursuit of espionage in this country. they operated abroad. sometimes these lines might cros. i did not come across it during the watergate period. neil: we are not after that. this is a scandal that grows in your opinion? or not? >> you know, i endorsed governor romney. but i would like now to the new administration could start without avoidable controversy. but the information was known at a high-level, it is a matter that the countries want to look into. on the whole, i would like to focus on the future. to not have beginning of administration. that would be my attitude. this evidence developed of the major capacity, there will be consequences. neil: we are going to take a quick
investigation, i don't wt to question the motives of the fbi. i am sure that they -- they have gone by the instructions of which they operate. neil: when you are under president nixon, even when the administrations were competing, they thought that was okay. they thought they were doing better for the country. >> the fbi did it to prove the job. they did the internal pursuit of espionage in this country. they operated abroad. sometimes these lines might cros. i did not come across it...
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investigation, i don't want to question the motives of the fbi. i am sure that they -- they have gone by the instructions of which they operate. neil: when you are undder president nixon, even when the administrations were competing, they thought that was okay. they thought they were doing better for the country. >> the fbi did it to prove the job. they did the internal pursuit of espionage in this country. they operated abroad. sometimes these lines might cross. i did not come across it during the watergate period. neil: we are not after that. this is a scandal that grows in your opinion? or not? >> you know, i endorsed governor romney. but i would like now to the new administration could start without avoidable controversy. but the information was known at a high-level, it is a matter that the countries want to look into. on the whole, i would like to focus on the future. to not have beginning of administration. that would be my attitude. this evidence developed of the major capacity, there will be consequences. neil: we are going to take a quic
investigation, i don't want to question the motives of the fbi. i am sure that they -- they have gone by the instructions of which they operate. neil: when you are undder president nixon, even when the administrations were competing, they thought that was okay. they thought they were doing better for the country. >> the fbi did it to prove the job. they did the internal pursuit of espionage in this country. they operated abroad. sometimes these lines might cross. i did not come across it...
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investigation, i don't want to question the motives of the fbi. i am sure that they -- they have gone by the instructions of which they operate. neil: when you are under president nixon, even when the administrations were competing, they thought that was okay. they thought they were doing better for the country. >> the fbi did it to prove the job. they did the internal pursuit of espionage in this country. they operated abroad. sometimes these lines might cross. i did not come across it during the watergate period. neil: we are not after that. this is a scandal that grows in your opinion? or not? >> you know, i endorsed governor romney. but i would like now to the new administration could start without avoidable controversy. but the information was known at a high-level, it is a matter that the countries want to look into. on the whole, i would like to focus on the future. to not have beginning of administration. that would be my attitude. this evidence developed of the major capacity, there will be consequences. neil: we are going to take a quick
investigation, i don't want to question the motives of the fbi. i am sure that they -- they have gone by the instructions of which they operate. neil: when you are under president nixon, even when the administrations were competing, they thought that was okay. they thought they were doing better for the country. >> the fbi did it to prove the job. they did the internal pursuit of espionage in this country. they operated abroad. sometimes these lines might cross. i did not come across it...
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investigation, i don't want to question the motives of the fbi. i am sure that they -- they have gone by the instructns of which they operate. neil: when you are under president nixon, even when the administrations were competing, they thought that was okay. they thought they were doing better for the country. >> the fbi did it to prove the job. they did the internal pursuit of espionage in this country. they operated abroad. sometimes these lines might cross. i did not come across it during the watergate period. neil: we are not after that. this is a scandal that grows in your opinion? or not? >> you know, i endorsed governor romney. but i would like now to the new administration could start without avoidable controversy. but the information was known at a high-level, it is a matter that the countries want to look into. on the whole, i would like to focus on the future. to not have beginning of administration. that would be my attitude. this evidence developed of the major capacity, there willbe consequences. neil: w are going to take a quick bre
investigation, i don't want to question the motives of the fbi. i am sure that they -- they have gone by the instructns of which they operate. neil: when you are under president nixon, even when the administrations were competing, they thought that was okay. they thought they were doing better for the country. >> the fbi did it to prove the job. they did the internal pursuit of espionage in this country. they operated abroad. sometimes these lines might cross. i did not come across it...
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fbi officer herself, right? >> i'm told that she actually applied, passed a polygraph and they were ready to offer her an appointment. >> she didn't take it because harvard called? >> i don't think it went too well at harvard. she could have been an agent. must have been surreal for her to be standing in her house with fbi agents searching her house and she was just a step away from becoming an agent. >> talk about fredrick humphries, the fbi agent who jill kelley contacted. what's his story? >> what's interesting is that, you know, this is the time where you're not liked in the bureau or the police department or whatever, this is when they start kicking, you know, when you're down already. and no one's kicking him. i mean they still speak pretty highly of him. he was in the terrorist task force himself. up in seattle. and he was the lead agent in the millennium bombing case. >> oh, yeah. >> did a great job. and he goes down to tampa, which is like winning the lottery because they like -- >> like a country club
fbi officer herself, right? >> i'm told that she actually applied, passed a polygraph and they were ready to offer her an appointment. >> she didn't take it because harvard called? >> i don't think it went too well at harvard. she could have been an agent. must have been surreal for her to be standing in her house with fbi agents searching her house and she was just a step away from becoming an agent. >> talk about fredrick humphries, the fbi agent who jill kelley...
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late today the fbi and ousted is investigating the accounting irregularities exposed by h-p. ironically oracle passed on the opportunity to buy autonomy 1/4 hewlett-packard was offered a deal. oracle said it was overpriced at a much slower $6 billion. and one of the oracle executives critically involved in that decision was a fellow by the name of mark heard, the former h-p ceo who was forced out to back in 2008. hedge fund manager avoided a kit quarter of a billion in losses and to join stocks in which he held major positions. he quietly sold his stake in those companies of taking short positions and was awarded $9 million for that brilliant move by sec capitol, the company that owns a hedge fund. today the sec, no relation to s. a. c., charged mark thomas with avoiding those losses by using inside information. the sec said he was told by doctors conducting trials on an alzheimer's drug that the drug was no good before the doctors presented their evidence to investors. the largest in tech -- insider-trading action ever filed by the sec. ben bernanke downbeat about the econom
late today the fbi and ousted is investigating the accounting irregularities exposed by h-p. ironically oracle passed on the opportunity to buy autonomy 1/4 hewlett-packard was offered a deal. oracle said it was overpriced at a much slower $6 billion. and one of the oracle executives critically involved in that decision was a fellow by the name of mark heard, the former h-p ceo who was forced out to back in 2008. hedge fund manager avoided a kit quarter of a billion in losses and to join stocks...
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as an old fbi agent, you should prove it first. >> but this is important. you're saying petraeus says, look, i said it was terrorism all along. susan rice told the american people we thought it was spontaneous. there's a disconnect. >> even more important than that, the narrative as it went from the cia to other intelligence agencies was correct. it was an act of terrorism. we knew that. the difference is what happened when it went outside of the intelligence community for, as the senator called it, you know, a committee to look at this thing and make the determination on what the narrative was. the narrative was wrong. and why that's important, this isn't just about parsing words and who was right. there was some policy decisions made based on the narrative that was not consistent with the intelligence that we had. that's my concern. and we need to say, hey, we need to figure out how that happened, and let's make sure that doesn't happen again. >> did people die because we didn't protect them adequately? is that the bottom line here? >> david, we gave the
as an old fbi agent, you should prove it first. >> but this is important. you're saying petraeus says, look, i said it was terrorism all along. susan rice told the american people we thought it was spontaneous. there's a disconnect. >> even more important than that, the narrative as it went from the cia to other intelligence agencies was correct. it was an act of terrorism. we knew that. the difference is what happened when it went outside of the intelligence community for, as the...
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. >> he also knew he was under investigation by the fbi, speaking of general petraeus. that's the big question. >> then the president is saying i didn't know until two days after the election. >> i have to say this, that speculation is absolutely reckless and it has no fact base at all and it really is a disgrace to a man. >> haen days are, indeed, here again. ♪ >> after a hard-won re-election fight, it's been a high-stakes return to the business of governing for the president of the united states. today he hosted congressional leaders at the white house to begin working on what he called the urgent business of reaching an agreement on taxes and spending cuts by the end of next month. this afternoon the president greeted a diverse range of civic leaders at the white house and, of course, he's preparing for his impending tour of southeast asia which begins at the week end. so that's what's been going on at the white house. or is it? >> the president of the united states did not tell the american people the truth about the attacks that took four brave americans' lives.
. >> he also knew he was under investigation by the fbi, speaking of general petraeus. that's the big question. >> then the president is saying i didn't know until two days after the election. >> i have to say this, that speculation is absolutely reckless and it has no fact base at all and it really is a disgrace to a man. >> haen days are, indeed, here again. ♪ >> after a hard-won re-election fight, it's been a high-stakes return to the business of governing for...
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nvestigation, i don't want to question the motives of the fbi. i am sure that they -- they have gone by the instructions of which they operate. neil: when you are under president nixon, even whenthe administrations were competing, they thought that was okay. they thought they were doing better for the country. >> the fbi did it to prove the job. they did the internal pursuit of espionage in this country. they operated abroad. sometimes these lines might cross. i did not come across it during the watergate period. neil: we are not after that. this is a scandal that grows in your opinion? or not? >> you know, i endorsed governor romney. but i would like now to the new administration could start without avoidable controversy. but the information was known at a high-level, it is a matter that the countries want to look into. on the whole, i would like to focus on the future. to not have beginning of administration. that would be my attitude. this evidce developed of the major capacity, there will be consequences. neil: we are going to take a quick br
nvestigation, i don't want to question the motives of the fbi. i am sure that they -- they have gone by the instructions of which they operate. neil: when you are under president nixon, even whenthe administrations were competing, they thought that was okay. they thought they were doing better for the country. >> the fbi did it to prove the job. they did the internal pursuit of espionage in this country. they operated abroad. sometimes these lines might cross. i did not come across it...
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that there are protocols he kept saying that the fbi has for why they launch an investigation, why they would continue it and whether or not they share that information with the white house. i think that really pushes it into the realm of the investigation that continues, brian. >> andrea, there couldn't be more going on right now. there was talk of fiscal cliff. we have no cia director. benghazi's still around, the israelis took out the head of hamas today. then john mccain said if the president puts up his u.n. ambassador, susan rice, to replace hillary clinton as secretary of state she will be blocked, they'll do everything in their power that's where the president today almost conjuring the wording of aaron sorkin from the movie "american president" as will be pointed out all day really decided throwdown. >> this is president andrew shepherd coming through in the east room of the white house. this was president obama saying if nyou want to pick a fight, yu come after me, john mccain and lindsey graham. don't come after susan rice. it was dramatic. he is angry. they feel susan rice i
that there are protocols he kept saying that the fbi has for why they launch an investigation, why they would continue it and whether or not they share that information with the white house. i think that really pushes it into the realm of the investigation that continues, brian. >> andrea, there couldn't be more going on right now. there was talk of fiscal cliff. we have no cia director. benghazi's still around, the israelis took out the head of hamas today. then john mccain said if the...
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this i was told by an fbi agent at a lie level, if this involved a high level fbi executive, he would have been out the door the same day. they wouldn't have left him in office. yet he was in office from the spring until october. and then just by coincidence obama is told two days after the election? it's so transparent that this is a big coverup. and the real issue, as you mentioned, is the blackmail issue. and that is russian foreign intelligence criminals, if they had gotten on to this affair, would have used it as blackmail against petraeus to get our biggest secrets, and that's why with the security clearance you are not supposed to compromise yourself in this way. >> let me go to the congressman. so the fbi director had to know. he meets with the president. eric holder had to know, he meets with the president. we are saying a cia director that is involved in a compromising situation that's correct that was not brought to the attention of the president? what if it wasn't? is that not dereliction of duty in is that not incompetence on that part? if the president did know, what doe
this i was told by an fbi agent at a lie level, if this involved a high level fbi executive, he would have been out the door the same day. they wouldn't have left him in office. yet he was in office from the spring until october. and then just by coincidence obama is told two days after the election? it's so transparent that this is a big coverup. and the real issue, as you mentioned, is the blackmail issue. and that is russian foreign intelligence criminals, if they had gotten on to this...
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fbi has uncover between 20,000 and 30,000 documents. mostly e-mails sent between allen and this woman, jill kelley. a senior defense official tells msnbc that the e-mails were inappropriate. kelley was the target of paula broad we'll's e-mails. the associated press that broadwell thought of kelley as a romantic rival for petraeus affection. he was supposed to start the process this week to be the next commander of american forces in europe and supreme allied commander of nato, allen will remain commander in afghanistan. . >>> i don't even know where to begin. how does this happen? >> well, i don't know it happens. particularly in the digital age. the idea that people think that if you have thousands of e-mails that they're not going to be picked up and found out it's sort of amazing. what's most disturbing, this is a terrible time from a foreign policy standpoint to have petraeus out. scandals that are taking key players out of afghanistan, syrian discussions. country that the president has a lot going on right now. >> we were joking co
fbi has uncover between 20,000 and 30,000 documents. mostly e-mails sent between allen and this woman, jill kelley. a senior defense official tells msnbc that the e-mails were inappropriate. kelley was the target of paula broad we'll's e-mails. the associated press that broadwell thought of kelley as a romantic rival for petraeus affection. he was supposed to start the process this week to be the next commander of american forces in europe and supreme allied commander of nato, allen will remain...
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when the fbi, yes, worked on crime, but under hoover the fbi worked on politics, too. the agency's efforts in the latter undermined everything the nation needed from the fbi on the former. that's why congress ordered reforms for the fbi after watergate. investigating crime while also secretly playing politics is a combination with a bad outcome. that's one of the things we learned from the scandal of the nixon administration and its downfall, but also from decades watching j. edgar hoover operate. last week we learned general david petraeus had an affair. the fbi discovered that affair over the summer while it was looking into something else. those revelations led to protest from members of congress that they had not been told sooner than last week, along with everyone else. they wanted to be notified about this. ranking democrat on the intelligence committee dianne feinstein says the fbi should have told congress, bipartisan, republican, homeland security committee calms alerting congress in an instance like this the fbi's obligation. lawmakers are sure to demand answ
when the fbi, yes, worked on crime, but under hoover the fbi worked on politics, too. the agency's efforts in the latter undermined everything the nation needed from the fbi on the former. that's why congress ordered reforms for the fbi after watergate. investigating crime while also secretly playing politics is a combination with a bad outcome. that's one of the things we learned from the scandal of the nixon administration and its downfall, but also from decades watching j. edgar hoover...
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i mean, do you call the fbi if you get a creepy e e-mail? if i called the fbi every time, they would need to set up a bureau here at 30 rock. here's another question. in spite of the conspiracy theories this was designed to undercut general petraeus before he testified on thursday about benghazi, this was a democratic plot to protect the president from hard questions and now even after the election. in light of those conspiracy theories which are being portrayed as fact on the right, how are we supposed to make light of the fact that two republican congressmen were apparently read in on this investigation by the fbi ahead of the white house and ahead of it going through more official channels. if this weren't the krerkt director of the cia this would not be an important story at all. but because each new detail takes the story in a new direction and every civilian involved in the case has hired high profile lawyers and because there's so many unanswered questions, this story rivals anything else going on in the country right now. the reporte
i mean, do you call the fbi if you get a creepy e e-mail? if i called the fbi every time, they would need to set up a bureau here at 30 rock. here's another question. in spite of the conspiracy theories this was designed to undercut general petraeus before he testified on thursday about benghazi, this was a democratic plot to protect the president from hard questions and now even after the election. in light of those conspiracy theories which are being portrayed as fact on the right, how are we...
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>> well, that's a good question, especially on the fbi side because fbi agents are shocked that it appears that politics has entered into fbi decisions on the timing of the investigation. it just happened to end on the very day after the election, and during that time, during those months, petraeus was left in office and could have been compromised, could have been blackmailed, and so the administration was taking a risk that that might happen. that's one of the most serious aspects of this whole matter. >> guys, good to see you. thanks for being with us. >>> coming up, what's the president's real agenda when it comes to the so-called fiscal cliff? is he really hoping for resolution. >>> defending susan rice, the head of the congressional black caucus is labeling the ambassador's critics as racist and sexist and she's specifically calling out senator john mccain. we'll examine the latest use of the race ca card and the so-cald war on women. i told him, sure. can't hurt, right? then i heard this news about a multivitamin study looking at long-term health benefits for men over 50. the one th
>> well, that's a good question, especially on the fbi side because fbi agents are shocked that it appears that politics has entered into fbi decisions on the timing of the investigation. it just happened to end on the very day after the election, and during that time, during those months, petraeus was left in office and could have been compromised, could have been blackmailed, and so the administration was taking a risk that that might happen. that's one of the most serious aspects of...
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the fbi is continuing to look through documents they took from broadwell's home monday night. so far agents have found no evidence of anything high lie classified. >>> tomorrow president obama sits down with congressional leaders to kick off negotiations on how to try to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. yesterday's news conference really did set the tone for the meetings. the president was confident in reminding house republicans that he earned political capital on election day last week to push his plan for tax hikes on the wealthy. >> if there is one thing that everybody understood was a big difference between myself and mr. romney, it was when it comes to how we reduce our deficit, i argued for a balanced responsible approach and part of that included making sure that the wealthiest americans pay a little bit more. i think every voter out there understood that that was an important debate. and the majority of voters agreed with me. by the way, more voters agreed with me on this issue than voted for me. so we got a clear majority of the american people who recognize if we'r
the fbi is continuing to look through documents they took from broadwell's home monday night. so far agents have found no evidence of anything high lie classified. >>> tomorrow president obama sits down with congressional leaders to kick off negotiations on how to try to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. yesterday's news conference really did set the tone for the meetings. the president was confident in reminding house republicans that he earned political capital on election day last...
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he had a contact in the fbi who raised this concern to him. he passed it along to the chief of staff of eric cantor's office who then was put in touch with the fbi. knowing how things work in cantor's office, it -- they run by the letter of the law to a "t," so i'm sure everything was done with heavy legal counsel and guidance. >> something like this, jim, you know the way the senate intelligence committee folks work particularly on both sides of this. finding out that an fbi agent -- we're calling this person a whistleblower, is that a fair description? >> i'm not quite sure i'm convinced i know what to describe this person as. i've listened to previous reports on msnbc. there are all sorts of rumors swirling around. i'm just not sure if that's the case or not. but i think there is a fair case to be made and has been by senator feinstein that she should have been given a heads up earlier than she was. no doubt about it. she has an amazing ability to keep things secret. >> fair enough. i want to go to fiscal cliff. i think there are two questi
he had a contact in the fbi who raised this concern to him. he passed it along to the chief of staff of eric cantor's office who then was put in touch with the fbi. knowing how things work in cantor's office, it -- they run by the letter of the law to a "t," so i'm sure everything was done with heavy legal counsel and guidance. >> something like this, jim, you know the way the senate intelligence committee folks work particularly on both sides of this. finding out that an fbi...
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everything from his initial reaction to how this was handled by the fbi. so first to the point of his initial reaction, if you take white house press secretary jay carney's briefing yesterday as a guide that gives you a sense that president obama will likely talk about that fact that he was stunned. he'll likely also thank general petraeus for his service to the country and also express his continued support of general allen while this investigation is ongoing. in terms of this other big question that lawmakers have been talking about quite a bit, this question of when president obama was informed about the entire situation, i think that you will hear president obama essentially defer those questions to the fbi. essentially not question the fbi's handling of this situation. that is what i expect. anyway, thomas, based on carney's briefing that we heard yesterday. this is such a stunning situation, because, remember, this is the last thing that president obama was expecting to talk about during his first press conference, what he intended to be focusing on,
everything from his initial reaction to how this was handled by the fbi. so first to the point of his initial reaction, if you take white house press secretary jay carney's briefing yesterday as a guide that gives you a sense that president obama will likely talk about that fact that he was stunned. he'll likely also thank general petraeus for his service to the country and also express his continued support of general allen while this investigation is ongoing. in terms of this other big...
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>> well, you know, i was contacted by an individual in the fbi who i have never met, i didn't know. he offered information to me that gave me pause and a cause for alarm. i had no way to corroborate the information. and certainly, the information to me... gave rise to the possibility that there was a national security issues that perhaps our cia director was vulnerable. but i couldn't corroborate or substantiate the information that was given to me. we were about 10 days or a few weeks out before the election. and i didn't want to politicize it, i wanted to make sure that national security wasn't at risk. so i turned to the person and the entity that i felt best equipped to deal with that information, to get to the bottom of it. and this was the fbi director and his office, that we know has an obligation to make sure that our national security is the priority. and the fbi's also obligated to apprise congress if there is a need for or an ongoing investigation or if there is a national security risk at hand. and so that's why i did what i did. and we hope that all the facts are going
>> well, you know, i was contacted by an individual in the fbi who i have never met, i didn't know. he offered information to me that gave me pause and a cause for alarm. i had no way to corroborate the information. and certainly, the information to me... gave rise to the possibility that there was a national security issues that perhaps our cia director was vulnerable. but i couldn't corroborate or substantiate the information that was given to me. we were about 10 days or a few weeks...
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i'm not surprised the fbi didn't initially let congress know. i'm pleasantly surprised because it came to eric cantor, a very partisan member of the house of representatives early, i'm really pleasantly surprised it didn't leak before the election. >> this investigation, from a minor thread unraveling a major tapestry, it is surprising. as david pointed out, secrets in washington don't sit idly by, especially during an election season where cocktail parties are in full swing. there had to be more people with information, this is not a surprise to most inside the beltway? >> i don't want to get into that sort of speculation. i think what majority leader cantor did in terms of immediately referring it back to the fbi, in terms of what he was alerted was obviously the right way to handle this. having said that, understand that republicans want to hear what general petraeus had to say because he was the decision maker for the cia. this is not getting the number two. they want to know what the decisions were, what the information was there, how he pr
i'm not surprised the fbi didn't initially let congress know. i'm pleasantly surprised because it came to eric cantor, a very partisan member of the house of representatives early, i'm really pleasantly surprised it didn't leak before the election. >> this investigation, from a minor thread unraveling a major tapestry, it is surprising. as david pointed out, secrets in washington don't sit idly by, especially during an election season where cocktail parties are in full swing. there had to...
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how normal is it for the fbi to investigate the cia? >> well, if they think there's some sort of crime that's occurred and in my limited understanding of what happened, this began because someone had a belief that general petraeus's computer had been compromised which led to the next step. the fbi does crime, not the cia. this is the proper course to take. and again transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. this is tough. you and i know both know it. for a general who has done so much for this nation. i think this showed what kind of a man he was that he did his soul searching, but he handed in his resignation because that's what we're trained to do and people should take a lesson on that. >> joe, good to have you with us on "the ed show." appreciate it so much. >>> coming up, a coal boss announces a series of lay yufs. find out how workers are paying the price for a ceo's personal politics. >>> and it got pretty ugly out there following the reelection of our first african-american president. msnbc politica
how normal is it for the fbi to investigate the cia? >> well, if they think there's some sort of crime that's occurred and in my limited understanding of what happened, this began because someone had a belief that general petraeus's computer had been compromised which led to the next step. the fbi does crime, not the cia. this is the proper course to take. and again transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. this is tough. you and i know both know it. for a...
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there's that long history of the fbi going back to j. edgar hoover where he was using these kinds of secrets that he was uncovering for political blackmail, if you will. now you have the fbi investigating accidentally stumbling into something where the investigation turns briefly until they shut it down to the director of central intelligence. that's a big deal. the question is, how do you handle it? do you just shut it down once you realize there's no criminality involved or it's a personal indiscretion, or do you report it up the change of command? that's the question that is going to be raised. >> of course, i think the larger question, though, still remains, the investigation regarding benghazi. this was ongoing before this scandal and if this affair was revealed, you have general petraeus making a trip to libya two weeks before all of this was revealed. how can there be a hearing and he not participate in this hearing, andrea? >> well, i think what senator feinstein has come to conclude is he has to participate. perhaps not at this
there's that long history of the fbi going back to j. edgar hoover where he was using these kinds of secrets that he was uncovering for political blackmail, if you will. now you have the fbi investigating accidentally stumbling into something where the investigation turns briefly until they shut it down to the director of central intelligence. that's a big deal. the question is, how do you handle it? do you just shut it down once you realize there's no criminality involved or it's a personal...
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it's got generals and wives with wandering eyes and a weirdly obsessed fbi agent. we'll call it, i don't know, dogs of war on the spy who loved me or the dirty dozen or body heat or the year of living dangerously or the love pentagon or how paula got her groove back. something. we'll figure it out. but you get steve buscemi to play general petraeus. he's got the look and this way of giving you a deep inner sliminess. the paula broadwell role is so juicy. you know who has to win, angie jolie. the sex appeal, the toughness. can't you see the scenes of her and the general running through the mountains of afghanistan during which they find a cave and do some cardio. back at home we see the wife, holly petraeus, played by kathy bates. we get bruce willis to play general allen because his entrance makes the story even more bizarre. and to play jill kelley, the hot wife who unnerved the tough broadwell and made an fbi agent go mad and called the fbi launching the whole investigation i would would point back to her, we get, yep, kim kardashian. so what if she can't act. no
it's got generals and wives with wandering eyes and a weirdly obsessed fbi agent. we'll call it, i don't know, dogs of war on the spy who loved me or the dirty dozen or body heat or the year of living dangerously or the love pentagon or how paula got her groove back. something. we'll figure it out. but you get steve buscemi to play general petraeus. he's got the look and this way of giving you a deep inner sliminess. the paula broadwell role is so juicy. you know who has to win, angie jolie....
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>> mike rodgers is a very decent guy, a former fbi agent. very much into all of this. i think he just kind of went off on a tangent. the white house has said, the president has said that he didn't know before the election. i don't think anybody should be accusing the president of the united states of lying. >> felicia we heard on "meet the press," that there's clear and necessary separation between the justice department and the white house. is it your sense that this is strictly political? that congressman rodgers is just suggesting some sort of a breach there? >> well the first thing that this brings to mind when it comes to his accusation here is back to during the campaign season when harry reid was accusing governor romney of not having paid taxes for ten years. just sort of throwing this statement out there without anything to back it up. it's not too hard to see how this is, is along the same lines as that. and unless he is able to bring forth some kind of evidence there, it's just another baseless claim it seems. >> okay. up next, the big three with their must-
>> mike rodgers is a very decent guy, a former fbi agent. very much into all of this. i think he just kind of went off on a tangent. the white house has said, the president has said that he didn't know before the election. i don't think anybody should be accusing the president of the united states of lying. >> felicia we heard on "meet the press," that there's clear and necessary separation between the justice department and the white house. is it your sense that this is...
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to have the fbi investigating or monitoring and surveilling the e-mail account of the director of the cia for four or five months, they would have to get a federal court order to do that and now we're hearing there is no crime involved. for that to go on for a long period of time for something that is not criminal and yet if they go -- if the fbi felt it was important enough to get a federal court order, it's an obligation to tell the president of the united states that the cia director was involved, at least the focus of the investigation, whether or not he was a target, he was involved in something that could make him susceptible to blackmail. it's hard to believe that this went on for so long without anybody being told at the white house. i would think that the fbi has an obligation to tell the president that this type of investigation was going on and the white house was told about it the very day of the elections. it raises a lot of questions and this doesn't added a up. >> why weren't the house and senate intelligence committees alerted? >> my understanding is that the house int
to have the fbi investigating or monitoring and surveilling the e-mail account of the director of the cia for four or five months, they would have to get a federal court order to do that and now we're hearing there is no crime involved. for that to go on for a long period of time for something that is not criminal and yet if they go -- if the fbi felt it was important enough to get a federal court order, it's an obligation to tell the president of the united states that the cia director was...
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the fbi concluded it was a personal matter. >> we made the determination as we were going through the matter that there was not a threat to national security. >> reporter: petraeus testifies today on the deadly attack that killed four americans in benghazi. thursday lawmakers saw realtime video of that attack and got in a heated shouting match over whether united nations ambassador susan rice intentionally misled the public when she said it was spontaneous. >> this administration include the president himself has intentionally misinformed and lied to the american people in the aftermath of this tragedy. >> if you want to know who is responsible in this town, buy yourself a mirror. >> reporter: petraeus could shed some light on that today. today's hearing is closed. the committees hope to have open public hearings at a later dade. lynn? >> tracie, thanks so much. now a check of the weather with bill karins. he's tracking a nice weekend for you all. >> like my vacation week without taking a vacation week. we all deserved it after what we went through. stress-free forecasts are nice ever
the fbi concluded it was a personal matter. >> we made the determination as we were going through the matter that there was not a threat to national security. >> reporter: petraeus testifies today on the deadly attack that killed four americans in benghazi. thursday lawmakers saw realtime video of that attack and got in a heated shouting match over whether united nations ambassador susan rice intentionally misled the public when she said it was spontaneous. >> this...
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, the way fbi handled this last -- the last couple days we're being told the fbi just happened to wrap up the case the week before the election. it did the final interviews with david petraeus and paula broadwell. that last week. just a few days before the election and then they wrap up the case and tell james clapper. now, it turns out, the case wasn't quite wrapped up, they still had more additional work to do with the search on paula broadwell's house and they had this additional information about general allen that they felt compelled to alert the white house and the pentagon about so that raises the question why was it just that week of election day they first go to clapper and does it have anything to do with the phone call that eric cantor the house majority leader made to the fbi just a few days before? >> andrea -- if i could just add one point, talking to lawmakers on the hill saying yet again, they're learning about this through media reports and that is only fanning the flames of their frustration which they first started talking about at the end of last week should have be
, the way fbi handled this last -- the last couple days we're being told the fbi just happened to wrap up the case the week before the election. it did the final interviews with david petraeus and paula broadwell. that last week. just a few days before the election and then they wrap up the case and tell james clapper. now, it turns out, the case wasn't quite wrapped up, they still had more additional work to do with the search on paula broadwell's house and they had this additional information...
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how did the fbi investigation start, how long has it been going on? there's some reports this morning that it's still being pursued in some ways. others are reporting there's no expectation that there will be any criminal indictments against general petraeus or the woman he's alleged to have had an extramarital apair with. the reality is, it's the investigation. it's the scrutiny of his e-mail, that led to his feeling that he had to resign over this. we need to know more, though, obviously, to understand what happened about how it started. and where it stands in terms of the investigation. >> but i understand this gmail account that's being investigated is a personal account. it is not a -- a -- hooked up to the cia, to the pentagon, anything like that. i mean, so it would -- i mean, what's it going to be about? just about personal items? national security would nover have been at risk with something like this, would it? >> the reality of people in government who use their personal accounts and their government accounts is that anything they do, they'
how did the fbi investigation start, how long has it been going on? there's some reports this morning that it's still being pursued in some ways. others are reporting there's no expectation that there will be any criminal indictments against general petraeus or the woman he's alleged to have had an extramarital apair with. the reality is, it's the investigation. it's the scrutiny of his e-mail, that led to his feeling that he had to resign over this. we need to know more, though, obviously, to...
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we know the fbi was looking at all of this for a while. officials tell nbc news the investigation started this summer after another woman, jill kell kelley, described as a friend of david petraeus, told another person at the fbi that she's getting threatening e-mail. should the fbi have alerted someone in congress when they started this investigation? >> i don't even know what those protocols are. i would point out that i think that the oversight mechanism that congress, over all issues of national defense and security, has been broken for some time. i was speaking with a senator who was part of the class fight breakdowns of the post-benghazi debacle. and he described those discussions as being the most useless he's ever heard. so there isn't a lot of information sharing over congress. and i think congress also hasn't been doing its job in constructing proper oversight into what's happening overseas and especially with our intelligence services. i would chalk it up probably as part of that kind of bad information loop. >> i guess the point
we know the fbi was looking at all of this for a while. officials tell nbc news the investigation started this summer after another woman, jill kell kelley, described as a friend of david petraeus, told another person at the fbi that she's getting threatening e-mail. should the fbi have alerted someone in congress when they started this investigation? >> i don't even know what those protocols are. i would point out that i think that the oversight mechanism that congress, over all issues...
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summer that fbi agents had uncovered the affair that led to petraeus' downfall. it all started in early june when a florida woman named jill kelley pictures here with her husband, petraeus, and his wife, alerted agents to e-mails she described as e-mails. they told kelley, a petraeus family friend, to stop socializing with generals. those anonymous e-mails led investigators to paula broadwell and evidence of the affair. now some lawmakers are asking why the fbi didn't inform them or the white house sooner. >> we received no advance notice. it was like a lightning bolt. this is something that could have had an effect on national skur security. i think we should have been told. >> it seems this was going on for several months, and yet now it appear that is they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it just doesn't add up. >> adding to the headache and the controversy, petraeus was set to testify at a closed door hearing on the benghazi attack on thursday. with acting director michael morell now going in his pla
summer that fbi agents had uncovered the affair that led to petraeus' downfall. it all started in early june when a florida woman named jill kelley pictures here with her husband, petraeus, and his wife, alerted agents to e-mails she described as e-mails. they told kelley, a petraeus family friend, to stop socializing with generals. those anonymous e-mails led investigators to paula broadwell and evidence of the affair. now some lawmakers are asking why the fbi didn't inform them or the white...
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he knows that the fbi knows about this. but he doesn't decide to go and tell the white house and offer to resign until clapper tells him to do so. >> more information. thank you so much, pete, for that reporting. more on the politics of the petraeus scandal, if you will. eugene robinson is an associate editor and columnist for "the washington post." also an msnbc political analyst. gene, this sense here -- let me show you something. some are howling about the timing of the resignation. he was set to testify about benghazi. here is ralph peters, an analyst for fox news. this is what i'm talking about, this emerging conspiracy theory, and here it is coming from fox. let's watch. >> as an old intelligence analyst, the way i read it, and i could be totally wrong, this is my interpretation is that the administration was unhappy with petraeus not playing ball 100% on their party line story. i think he was getting cold feet about testifying under oath and their party line story, and i suspect these tough chicago guys knew of this
he knows that the fbi knows about this. but he doesn't decide to go and tell the white house and offer to resign until clapper tells him to do so. >> more information. thank you so much, pete, for that reporting. more on the politics of the petraeus scandal, if you will. eugene robinson is an associate editor and columnist for "the washington post." also an msnbc political analyst. gene, this sense here -- let me show you something. some are howling about the timing of the...
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the justice department and the pentagon and the fbi. the republican chairman of the house intelligence committee says, quote, it gives a new explanation that differs from information provided from testimony. and now they are demanding an immediate plan nation from clapper. we heard from a leading democrat who said the changes were made to protect the classification. they were not subject to any spin by the whoit house or ambassador to the u.n. it is high time we returned our focus to where it should have been all along. this new time line does not address another sig can't -- significant inconsistency. diplomatic agents were evacuated from the consulate to the airbase in germany. by september 14th, two days before ambassador rice's controversial sunday appearances, fbi agents learned from the consulate agents that there was no demonstration. this single data point that there was no demonstration gutted the anti-islam video theory. fox news asked the director of national intelligence why this information was apparently not included in th
the justice department and the pentagon and the fbi. the republican chairman of the house intelligence committee says, quote, it gives a new explanation that differs from information provided from testimony. and now they are demanding an immediate plan nation from clapper. we heard from a leading democrat who said the changes were made to protect the classification. they were not subject to any spin by the whoit house or ambassador to the u.n. it is high time we returned our focus to where it...
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questions about benghazi, questions about the petraeus thing, how did the fbi, is the president pleased with, seems there's a little pattern here of it seems to take a while for certain information to get to the white house a little bit, how -- what is his reaction to that. so this is his first comments that we're going to hear since the whole david petraeus mess exploded. so obviously that's going to be some of the news. i can tell you the white house folks are not happy that half the press conference will not be about fiscal cliff since that is what is front and center, all these deadlines facing them. the irony is, be andrea, had they done the post-election press conference when traditionally held back in bush and clinton a couple days after the election, there wouldn't have been a question about david petraeus. >> if he had not -- if he held it in chicago the morning after traditionally when this is done. >> or even thursday. >> or even thursday u.s. exactly. >> although by thursday his national security team knew and was about to inform him about the petraeus possible resignation.
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the identity of the fbi agent at the enter of the david petraeus scandal is finally revealed. i know you've been waiting. good morning to you. i'm peter alexander. this is "way too early." i'm glad you're up with us this morning. a lot to cover on a thursday, november 15th
the identity of the fbi agent at the enter of the david petraeus scandal is finally revealed. i know you've been waiting. good morning to you. i'm peter alexander. this is "way too early." i'm glad you're up with us this morning. a lot to cover on a thursday, november 15th
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what is the fbi saying about this? >> well, i think they freely admit that there are no hard and fast rules for when you notify anybody else in the government that a senior intelligence official is having an affair. the general rule, and what their basic policy is, they don't tell anybody. when they're in the middle of a criminal investigation, who they're investigating. whether it's, you know, somebody in the white house or anybody. they just don't blab around town who they're investigating. now, there's a policy question here, obviously, about whether members of the intelligence committee should have been informed. they say there's a potential national security implications. the fbi and the justice department say they determined early on there weren't national security implications, that this was, at its core, not a crime, an affair. and the other thing about this is, that the fbi is sensitive to its own history, about a time when j. edgar hoover shepherded the peccadillos of official washington and parceled these th
what is the fbi saying about this? >> well, i think they freely admit that there are no hard and fast rules for when you notify anybody else in the government that a senior intelligence official is having an affair. the general rule, and what their basic policy is, they don't tell anybody. when they're in the middle of a criminal investigation, who they're investigating. whether it's, you know, somebody in the white house or anybody. they just don't blab around town who they're...
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>> i think we have to let the fbi do their job. they're as good as any investigative agency in the world. they've done an outstanding job in investigations throughout the years. i think we have committees who do focus on their areas of expertise. as an example in the intelligence committee we focus on anything having to do with national security and the oversight of our intelligence communities. but you have other groups -- homeland security, you have other groups that might be focused on something that comes out as a result of this. the most important thing is we let the professionals do the job. we follow the facts and then we then as members of congress come together and make the decisions on what occurred and how things occurred. if you're talking about the benghazi issue we had four americans killed. we have to see whether there were intelligence failures. we have to make sure more importantly that americans who work for the state department or united states, anywhere in the world, are protected. and we want to see based on th
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then there's the fbi agent and friend of jill kel yae's. he's now subject of an internal fbi probe himself for inappropriate behavior. let's get into the details. overnight the pentagon announced this, that general allen's nomination to be allied supreme commander over all of anywnato been delayed and panetta has asked them to ex pa diet joseph dunfer. >> while this matter is under investigation and before the facts are determined, general allen will remain commander. general allen is entitled to due process in this matter. in the meantime the secretary has asked the president, and the president has agreed, to put his nomination on hold until the relevant facts are determined. >> all right. that's pentagon spokesman george little. he's on a trip to asia with the defense secretary. more on that trip in a minute. allen, who is married, denied any wrongdoing and, for now, remains commander in afghanistan as the investigation continues. defense secretary leon panetta was informed by the pentagon's general counsel on sunday of this fbi investiga
then there's the fbi agent and friend of jill kel yae's. he's now subject of an internal fbi probe himself for inappropriate behavior. let's get into the details. overnight the pentagon announced this, that general allen's nomination to be allied supreme commander over all of anywnato been delayed and panetta has asked them to ex pa diet joseph dunfer. >> while this matter is under investigation and before the facts are determined, general allen will remain commander. general allen is...